The Old Dirty Bastard

Post by **JTF** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:41 pm

bingolong,

I feel that sampling is wrong in any case, even if you have permission. I tend to believe that talent shines in creating original work. If I play a song by Fatback with a Pryor bit over the top of it it does not show talent on my part, no matter how I try to work it. It's a lazy way to make a song. The truly sad thing is that talented recording artists are resorting to doing it simply because it works. Without samples, most hits of recent times are absolutely nothing. As a reflection of the amount that sampled content has as an influence on the marketability of a song, I think that 95% of the revenue should go to the source(s). That would end sampling right there!

YouTube · Post by **bingolong** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:24 pm

JTF,
AHHH who asked you?.......Good Music is good Music.

I had some more shit but I said fuck it to each his own,but I'mma stay a sampling motherfucka baby!!!

Post by **Jennifer** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:47 pm

bingolong,
lol

Post by **Jennifer** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:02 pm

craig,
Still haven't done my work on that----but you did turn me onto that!

Post by **craig** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:24 pm

JTF,

I don't know. There's good and bad in it. There a lot of music made of samples that is absolute crap - most of the pop stuff that outright samples 1 bar over and over again is garbage (Puff, do you hear us?), but there are also some true masterpieces. Sampling turned me on to a lot of music that growing up as a white kid in the suburbs in the 80's, I prob. wouldn't have heard. James Brown from the hip-hop playing on KISS FM in NYC, Sly Stone from Public Enemy, a lot of other shit from De La Soul. I'm still trying to figure out half of what DJ Shadow is using....

PE's Nation of Millions... is entirely built from samples and is one of the most mindblowing records ever. Like Stetsasonic said: "rap brings back old R&B, and if we did not, people might have forgot."

craig
venice

Post by **craig** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:10 pm

astonamous,

I hear you. I would certainly agree that anyone who gets sampled should get paid for it; copyright is there for a reason....

craig
venice

YouTube · Post by **bingolong** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:12 am

craig and Trudy,
Yeah it's that pop stuff that I think that JTF is refering to more than anything.I think that there are some underground artists that JTF would appreciate for the creative use of sampling and just the fact that they incorporated some good music into it.And to add to something craig mentioned I would have never been as much of a Sly fan without realizing how much influence his music made on hip-hop,so its also a good trade off.

DJ and producer DJ Premier said it best in the magazine called Waxpoetics,they don't even make alot of the instruments and sounds now let alone the recording techniques of 60's and 70's etc to get those textures so sampling is one of the best ways to get that feel.

Post by **Jennifer** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:41 am

bingolong,
Intersting about some of the sampling going on---re: not making the instruments.
But using Richard's words are a whole other matter!

Post by **NickFlanagan** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:24 am

Jennifer,

I had no idea RP didn't get paid for the ODB sample!I love it, and when I'd heard it when I was 13 I hadn't listened to much of his comedy, so it was a good introduction to him. Please accept this delightful memory in lieu of payment. Just kidding--I hope they got him some money. And once they do, perhaps it'll be nice to know his voice is all over the finest hip-hop.

YouTube · Post by **bingolong** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:49 am

Jennifer,
Definitely,get paid!!!!I just went on a rant up there is all.....

By the way,you mentioned NWA awhile back as somebody who you had to go after for copyright issues,but is there anyone that did the right thing that we can consider friends as far as sample clearance?